Monday, August 31, 2009

How can you tell this congressman is lying?

Answer, his lips are moving.

Like many a politician rejecting healthcare reform, lyies and mistruths, spin and bull. Beware fools speaking for the public.

Sunday, August 30, 2009

Nixon-unions-Kennedy healthcare fight 1971

When folks talk about the Nixon/Kennedy healthcare fight, this short film shows part of that debate:


some of the "concerns" were the same in 71 as now. Alas, some of these "concerns" were argued over by the Bull Moose Party in 1912. Very little progress.

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Barney Frank and townhall meeting MSNBC clip

Dissing Barney was not wise idea in attempted townhall disruption. Kudos to Barney:

single payer upcoming debate in house Weiner admendment

Charlie A posted this on his blog and is of interest to the folks. C-span snip

Keith Obermann more of the healthcare story

Keith has some interesting comments and interview on this segment about healthcare:

During the show, this was also of interest to the folks:


Rachel Maddows and Richard Trumka

Interesting vids on Msnbc, healthcare topics. PBS and MSNBC doing fine job of covering the mess. CNN--so, so and Fox? :

1 Aug. 18: Republicans oppose single-payer, public option, and co-op insurance options in the healthcare reform bill, so what do they actually support? After an enlightening TRMS skit on ordering dinner, Rachel Maddow is joined by Richard Trumka, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO.


Confusion on healthcare

Alas, with all the sound and furor over healthcare; it is understandable that some of the folks are confused. Some are believing lies, others are quoting slanted stats, still others are afraid of change and total chaos.

All are asking, where is the leadership?

Yes, were is the leadership for change? We still do not know the details of an "Obamacare" bill. We see the talking bubbleheads of media ranting/raving about this or that and generally confusing folks with bull.

for me, it does not matter. The best bill I have seen for both money and coverage concerns is HR676. HR3200 is a poor substitute and except for the Bernie Sanders S703, none of the other bills worth the paper to print (bonanza bills for insurance companies they should be called for they do gurantee trillions of dollars for protits).

Your offices at Soar 11-3 have not "switched" to other healthcare bills. HR676 or something simular or nothing. Yes, nothing; for any bill will tie up the healthcare reform debate for decades and that is not acceptable

In any case, no matter how the healthcare debate and bills turn out; we will hold some folks accountble for their actions or lack therefore. Some folks might have some surprizes during reelection time. Others might have some surprizes in general.

Sunday, August 16, 2009

Nifty Obama protest signs

This vid is fantastic. Love some of the protest signs. From the Young Turk folks.

Steel: From Start to Finish

This is a vid about steelmaking. Good quality and interesting.

From the American Manufacturing folks (used to be the ReUnion folks)

Saturday, August 15, 2009

Move-on Shark Week released a new vid dealing with healthcare companies. I think most will find of interest:


Thursday, August 13, 2009

msnbc rachel maddow's comments on teabaggers

Am off this morning to the townhall meeting in Hazelwood. Wonder if any of the yellow teabaggers will be around. Kinda hope the yellows are there if truth be told

This is a union event and in the past in St. Louis, teabaggers gone after "soft targets". Today's affair will have many retired union folks, not the more timid old folks they are used to pushing around.

Enough said and folks should watch what Rachel has to say on the teabaggers:

Note: far too much media attention given to "potential" violence by the teabaggers. These yellow dogs are candies, cowards that hide and showing up if cameras are rolling and they can push around folks. Shut off those cameras and the teabaggers scurry for cover like cockroaches.

Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Unions big doners last election

This is a story from MSNBC/CQ on campaign donations by unions. Did we get our "money's worth" is a fair question.

Value of time and other resources given by unions is not in this, but easily worth millions.

Copyrighted article and I will remove if objections made:


CQ: Campaign cash: Unions big givers in 2009
Labor strongly supports a government-run insurance health insurance plan
By Bennett Roth and Alex Knott, CQ staff
CQ Politics
updated 11:32 a.m. CT, Mon., Aug 10, 2009

WASHINGTON - Organized labor gave more money to congressional campaigns than any other interest group at a time when overhauling health care and easing the ability of unions to organize sit atop Congress’ agenda.

Union political action committees shelled out $11 million to lawmakers during the first six months of this year. Ranking second were health care interests, which gave $9.5 million from Jan. 1 through June 30, according to a CQ MoneyLine analysis of the latest filings with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

While labor PACs were the top contributors in the previous election cycle, the health care industry jumped to second place in the first half of the year from fourth in the 2007-08 cycle. Revamping health care is the top priority of President Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress as lawmakers struggle to fashion an overhaul proposal.

Labor strongly supports a government-run insurance plan that is part of legislation (HR 3200) that three House panels and one Senate committee have approved. Insurance companies and many parts of the business community oppose the so-called public option.

Finance and insurance company PACs contributed $9.2 million to lawmakers and ranked just after those representing health care in donations to lawmakers during the six-month period.

Trevor Potter, president of the Campaign Legal Center and a former FEC chairman, said it is not surprising that labor leads the pack in giving this year.

“The unions have an agenda in this Congress, and they are trying to move legislation,” Potter said. He added that unions, which give overwhelmingly to Democrats, also may be trying early in the election cycle to shore up the majority party in Congress, particularly its vulnerable members.

Aside from the health care issue, unions have mounted a major push for legislation that would make it easier for workers to organize workplaces. The measure (S 560) has been aggressively opposed by business interests. Senate sponsors have signaled that they may have to drop a controversial labor-backed provision that would allow workers to agree to unionize when a majority sign a card, rather than voting by secret ballot.

The CQ analysis includes PAC contributions to campaign and leadership committees of all House candidates and contributions to campaign committees of Senate candidates. Not all Senate leadership PAC contributions are included because of varying filing deadlines.

The top recipient of labor money was Rep. Scott Murphy, D-N.Y., whose campaign committee received $171,000 from union PACs. Murphy won a special election on March 31 to replace Kirsten Gillibrand, who was tapped to become New York’s junior senator.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ’s campaign committee received the second-largest amount of labor PAC cash, getting $144,000. The California Democrat was followed by another, Rep. George Miller, the Education and Labor chairman, who received $119,540. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was next. His campaign committee collected $115,500.

The health care industry opened its wallets to leaders in the health care debate, including Reid, who was the top recipient of health care PAC money to candidates’ campaign committees. In the first half of this year, Reid received $168,500 from health care interests, amounting to almost a quarter of the PAC contributions his campaign received. The money represented the interests of a range of medical associations, hospitals, drug companies and other providers.

Notably absent among the top Democratic recipients of health care money was Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and a leading figure on health care for years. Kennedy has been fighting brain cancer and has not been in Washington for most of this session. The industry donated $4,000 to his campaign committee in the first half of the year.

The leading GOP recipient of health care contributions was Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Finance Committee and part of a bipartisan coalition struggling to come up with a compromise health care bill. His campaign committee got $118,400 from health care interests, about a quarter of his total PAC contributions.

One of Grassley’s largest contributions was $10,000 from WellPoint, an Indiana-based health insurance company that oversees Blue Cross plans in 14 states. As with many in the health insurance industry, WellPoint opposes the public option. The legislation discussed by the Finance Committee does not include such a government-run health plan.

Democrats, led by Pelosi, have singled out health insurance companies for criticism, suggesting they are trying to undermine health care legislation during the August recess. Pelosi received $139,500 in health care contributions to her campaign committee. That figure includes $2,500 from the political action arm of America’s Health Insurance Plans, which represents 1,300 health insurance companies.

Karen Ignagni, president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, responded earlier this week to Democratic criticism of her industry by complaining that “a campaign has been launched to demonize health plans and the men and women who work hard every day to provide health insurance coverage to more than 300 million Americans.”

The latest filings also show that the top industries are continuing their trend of favoring Democrats, who now control both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.

Overall, the PACs gave about 62 percent of their money to Democrats and about 38 percent to Republicans in the first half of this year.

Health care-related PACs gave more than 62 percent of contributions to Democrats in the first six months of 2009 and more than 37 percent to Republicans. And now that Democrats have the lion’s share of incumbents, even the traditionally GOP-leaning energy and natural resources companies gave slightly more of their PAC money, about 51 percent, to Democrats. Republicans got about 49 percent.

Organized labor, as it has in past years, gave most of its contributions, 92 percent, to Democrats.

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© 2009

Personally speaking: if the folks in congress cannot pass some pro-labor agenda items like real healthcare reform/real employee free choice act and more; time to rethink giving massive amounts of money to Democratic Party. In fact, labor should run some "pro-labor" folks for congress themselves and they would win in some districts.

Monday, August 10, 2009

Brave New Films

The following vid might be of interest to the folks:


Townhalls gone wild

This is from the Daily Kos folks.


Tea Party St. Louis twitter memo

This is from Firedup! Missouri and is "twitter" communications on tea party website:

Keith on Countdown update St. Louis teabagger injury

St. Louis makes an honerable mention on Countdown today. Appears the teabagger injured has no insurance and collections being made:


Healthcare CEO pay

This is from:
some folks might find it of interest. I did not copy the photos of the individuals.

UnitedHealth CEO
Stephen J. Hemsley
2007 Compensation
$13.2 million
2008 Compensation (Forbes)
Former Managing Partner and CFO of Arthur Andersen (BusinessWeek)
Total Value of Unexercised Stock Options (Forbes)
2009 Options Exercise
Value of Wayzata, Minnesota Home (Hennepin County Assessor)
Hemsley returns $190 million in stock options acquired as a result of practices found to be fraudulent by the SEC (American Medical News)
Edward Hanway
Five-Year Compensation, as of April 30, 2008 (Forbes)
$120.51 million
Total Value of Unexercised Stock Options (Forbes)
Value of New Jersey Beach Home (Cape May County Assessor)
The family of a 17-year-old girl who died hours after CIGNA reversed a decision and said it would pay for a liver transplant plans to sue the company, their attorney said Friday.
Hundreds of entertainment industry workers in California and New Jersey who buy health insurance as a group are being hit with a rate increase that will raise some family-plan premiums to more than $44,000 a year.
Humana CEO
Michael McCallister
2007 Compensation
$10.3 million
2008 Compensation (Forbes)
Five-Year Compensation Total (Forbes)
$15.1 million
Total Value of Unexercised Stock Options (Forbes)
2006 Options Exercise (SECForm4)
Value of Park City, Utah Home (County Assessor)
Humana abandons senior citizens in Florida, returns after Republicans pass new Medicare law, upping HMO payments by ~ 25% (NY Times)

Aetna CEO
Ronald A. Williams
2007 Compensation
$23 million
2008 Compensation (Forbes)
Total Value of Unexercised Options (Forbes)
Williams is in the top
ten of Forbes'
"$100 Million CEO Club."
Health insurance giants Aetna and CIGNA, along with others, became the latest targets of a wide-ranging probe launched by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, according to USA Today. (source)
Coventry CEO
Allen Wise
CEO from 1996-2004, and from January 2009-Present
2004 Compensation (Forbes)
2006 Sale of Stock
2006 Options Exercised
2005 Sale of Stock
2005 Options Exercised
2004 Sale of Stock
2004 Options Exercised
Value of Hilton Head, SC Home (Beaufort County Assessor)
WellPoint CEO
Angela Braly
2007 Compensation (secinfo)
2008 Compensation (Forbes)
2006 Sale of Stock (SECForm4)
2006 Options Excerise (SECForm4)
Value of Indianapolis Home

Brave New Films / 10510 Culver Blvd., Culver City, CA 90232 /
© 2009 Brave New Films. All Rights Reserved.

Note: any wonder these guys do not wish reform? Any wonder where some of the funding for the teabaggers?

Sunday, August 9, 2009

St. Louis Tea Part protesters in front of SEIU office argue with counter-protesters

SEIU headquarters in St. Louis was the scene yesterday of a demonstration by Tea baggers. A little hot weatherwise in St. Louis at noon, but these folks were out in force.

Tea Party folks got out a couple hundred protesters. SEIU got out a handful it appears with most of the counterdemonstrators coming from the liberal West End neighbors (looked like some Washington University folks, some whom live in neighborhood).

Sad about the SEIU and others, I warned them late Friday afternoon myself and left word with several folks. Guess no one in the offices when I left messages. Even sadder, no one appears to have organized a counter demonstration, fully knowing these teabaggers would respond to events of Thursday eveining . On the vids, one of the speakers ask "Where are they At?"; a valid question.

West end area is very liberal and from looking at the varied vids, these counter-demonstrators are the folks of the community; not SEIU folks. Speculation on my part.

In any case, Tea Party organized 200 or so folks in less than 24 hours to demonstrate with full press coverage (and folks posting vids on youtube and other sites). That is better than many union/social agency organizations can do and personally speaking, hats off to them for that feat of organizing.

SEIU is the largest union in the US with over 2 million members. They are part of the Change to Win (as opposed to the AFL-CIO). Teabaggers hitting SEIU headquarters with protests was a clever move on the Teabaggers for a variety of reasons. Will go over some of this politics next meeting if folks wish.

Note: After Obama victory many unions and other dismantled "rapid response" type systems. Perhaps this incident will cause a few to rebuild those response organizations.




note: Tea Bagger's blog again is at:

They are proclaimning a victory that one of the Senator's townhalls have been cancelled. At their calender site, they list another of Claire's townhalls; targeted for demonstration tuesday.

Labor Advocates, Unions Split Over Single Payer - Working In These Times

Labor Advocates, Unions Split Over Single Payer - Working In These Times

Friday, August 7, 2009

Sen Claire McCaskill cancels first townhall Tuesday

Those whom said they might attend this will be notified.

KSDK -- An upcoming town hall meeting on health care reform has been cancelled due to security precautions.

Sen. Claire McCaskill's meeting had been scheduled for Tuesday, August 11 at University City High School.

The school district said Friday it has cancelled the event due to concerns for the safety and security of its staff, community members attending the meeting, and for any students who would be on campus at the time of the meeting.

A rescheduling date has not been announced.

The cancellation comes on the heels of a number of disruptions at various town hall meetings across the country.

this meeting was targeted for demonstrations. The other meeting that day has also been targeted. We do not know about Thursday's meeting as of yet

Teabag demonstration against SEIU tomorrow

The following is of note: demonstration against SEIU planned for noon tomorrow.

Demand Justice! Denounce Violence! Saturday at SEIU Office
by admin on August 7, 2009
DATE: Saturday, August 8, 2009 (tomorrow)

TIME: Noon

LOCATION: SEIU Headquarters, 5585 Pershing Ave., Suite 130, St. Louis, MO 63112

The St. Louis Tea Party will hold a press conference and peaceable protest at SEIU Headquarters
5585 Pershing Ave., Suite 130, St. Louis, MO 63112 at Noon Saturday, August 8, 2009.

The protest is to demand justice for Kenneth Gladney, an African-American conservative who was brutally beaten by 4 individuals, at least 2 of whom were identified as SEIU representatives. The beatings included racial slurs and required hospitalization of Mr. Gladney.

As videos show, the attack was unprovoked and no one retaliated against the union thugs.

This attack followed hours of taunts and verbal assaults by SEIU and ACORN members upon citizens gathered to express their views under the First Amendment. We believe this brutal beating is part of an organized plan to suppress dissent to the Administration’s planned seizure of the medical industry in the United States.

Anyone who believes in non-violent protest, in the rule of law, in the right of black men and women to express conservative political views, in the right to peaceably assemble, to speak freely, and to petition Congress for a redress of grievances is invited to attend.

The Tea Party specifically requests the NAACP and the ACLU to come out in support of Kenneth Gladney’s rights which were trampled by these hooligans. We call on Representative Russ Carnahan to denounce the beating. We call on President Obama to denounce the beatings. We call on St. Louis County to prosecute the assailants to fullest extent of the law.

Thursday, August 6, 2009

More teabag disruptions St. Louis Missouri

Today, the Carnahan townhall in South county was disrupted by teabaggers opposing healthcare reform. Looks like Russ had long day.:

(title of vid)

Fox St. Louis news had this vid as did other stations on today's cash-for clunkers:

ST. LOUIS, MO ( - One of St. Louis' best
known Congressmen was met by an angry mob in South City Tuesday. Russ Carnahan was talking about the Cash for Clunker's program that's looking more and more like it will be extended, but his news conference took a relatively odd turn. Carnahan is urging the Senate to allocate additional funding for the "Cash for Clunkers" program. As Congressman Carnahan tried to speak about three dozen demonstrators, who had been locked out of a South City auto showroom, tried to shout him down. They pressed signs against the glass in an effort to get the attention of media inside.

Carnahan said, "We have some nay-sayers here today, and it's their right to do that."

The nay-sayers were vocal, but appear to be fighting an uphill battle as more signs were coming from Washington that the Cash for Clunkers program will get through the Senate. The House on Friday voted overwhelmingly in support of continuing the program. The Senate has come under increasing pressure to continue the initiative.

Carnahan's only answer to his critics on the other side of the glass:

"I support the program, that's well known."

Carnahan says Cash for Clunkers will help expand the clean-energy economy, cut down on pollution, and save money on gasoline consumption as more Americans turn in older cars for more efficient models.

The Obama administration pushed for an additional $2 billion after saying over the weekend that the program could expire as early as this week unless the Senate acts.


Also from Fox St. Louis news:

Related links
Health Care Town Hall Expected to Have Fireworks Video
ST. LOUIS COUNTY, MO ( - The debate over health care reform has moved to South County, and the Town Hall forum held by Congressman Russ Carnahan generated plenty of fireworks. The town hall meeting was scheduled months ago by Carnahan's office. The intent was initially to educate senior citizens about Medicaid and Medicare issues, but Thursday the Democratic Party sent out releases encouraging people to show up and show support for President Obama's health care reform plan.

So there is a mixed crowd, of vocal opponents to the plan and others supporters. The two sides spent much of the evening attempting to shout one another down. Many showed up with signs which were not allowed into the gymnasium where the meeting was held.

In recent weeks, town hall forums like this have been overtaken by opposition groups who have heckled and mocked supporters of the President's health care reform plan including Congressman Carnahan.

Congressman Carnahan's office said health care reform wasn't to be the main issue, Thursday, but that topic got plenty of attention. There were speakers from AARP, Medicaid, and Medicare who will answer questions from senior citizens.

Opposition groups showed up around 4:30pm with signs in hand, some claiming health care reform is the start of socialism, but there were just as many in favor of reform.

By evening's end, Carnahan hastily departed without comment. His staff said the meeting did not turn out the way the congressman had intended.
Copyright © 2009, KTVI-TV


Teabaggers--St. Louis Missouri

Teabaggers are going to do their stuff at the Russ rally in South county today. Their respective website is at:

These folks intend to disrupt Carnahan and other dems across the state this month. Carnahan tops the list for potential disruptions by the way. Carnahan has also been targeted by Rush Lindbaugh.

Akin up north was cheered by these folks at a recient meeting. Wonder how they would like their "buddies" townhalls and meeting disrupted?

Personally speaking, Carnahan's have been good for the citizens of Missouri and although I do not agree 100% of the time with Russ; he is a pretty good representative and deserves a better crowd reception.

Picture from the teabagger's site.
another clip from disruption on Claire's healthcare talk from youtube (Fox news clip):


I wonder if these folks know that most citizens in Missouri believe their disruptions the work of cranks?

Wednesday, August 5, 2009

Keith Obermann continue healthcare story

Yesterday, one of the top stories on Countdown was a continuation of healthcare talk.
Very informative:

I agree with the "devil's advocate" comment, single-payers have already lost; defeated by our friends and supposed allies. Our "buddies" stacked the healthcare reform early on and excluded single payer folks from talks.

Now our "buddies" have a problem for the conservatives are going to block meaningful healthcare reform.

Tuesday, August 4, 2009

Senator McCaskill hecklers

Right wing folks busy disrupting town-hall meetings in St. Louis area. Again, local media giving very little attention and these vids come from youtube and this is a couple of them.

I wonder if the protesters are aware their disruptions might cause public to rally behind Claire? ----------------------


Note: planned disruptions of democratic townhalls and meetings, that is stupid.

Monday, August 3, 2009

Representative Carnahan hecked at townhall meeting on healthcare

Russ Carnahan felt the wrath of some on the right at his townhall meeting. Forrest Park Community Collage was the site of a recient healthcare meeting. Alas, this is one I missed:

right wing folks have plans for democrats wishing to pass healthcare reform. Some of the townhall meetings should be interesting.

Sunday, August 2, 2009

Hulu copy of CNBC healthcare program

This is a link to Hulu presentation of the healthcare program mentioned in previous post:

Meeting of the Minds CNBC healthcare

An excellent vid on healthcare reform and the problems at CNBC:

Snip from program from youtube. Again, this is copyrighted materials and I shall withdraw if objections made: